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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 2, 2009 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds..."
Ralph Waldo Emerson

In an effort to broaden my horizons, recently I have been spending some time in what is largely uncharted territory for me. Not surprisingly, though, my observations have been consistent with my initial feelings about the music and performances from 1978...

The freshness that Keith had breathed into the band in late 1971-1972, has certainly ebbed with his addiction, and the strain of his relationship with Donna must have had a detrimental effect on the rest of the band.

Of course its just my opinion, but with the exception of Shakedown Street, the new material is not compelling, and the setlists/performances, as they were in 1977, comtinue to be somewhat formulaic. Though the playing and musicianship is certainly not as tight and laser focused as '77, there are definately some intense passages. The term "Jam" does pop up on a few set lists, but I think its a bit of a stretch to call most of these segments free-form jams.

Naturally Jerry's health issues are largely the reason for what has to be recognized as the beginning of a decline in the band's performances/music, at least as far as consistentcy is concerned. But what are the other factors at play here? What else do you think is contributing to what is clearly a changing dynamic?

Although I'm not impressed with this vintage as a whole, I must admit that I have found a few shows that at least had segments that I enjoyed:

01/18/78 excellent Playin'
01/22/78
07/08/78
09/16/78
10/21/78
10/22/78
11/17/78 acoustic set!
11/20/78 set openning jam?
11/24/78 Jer is very sick, but Ive always loved this show!
12/31/78

As you know, I almost never listen to anything post '77, so please enlighten me with your thoughts on 1978 and your favorite shows from this troubled year!

This post was modified by Cliff Hucker on 2009-03-02 18:50:22

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Poster: snori Date: Mar 3, 2009 1:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

Already mentioned by others, but this show does contain flashes of the '77 excitement (Peggy-O, Scarlet/Fire, in particular). Plus, in common with other highly rated shows it is available in amazing quality. I think this is one of the first MOTB offerings. http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-04-16.sbd.cantor.motb.81457.sbeok.flac16

I quite like '78, some of that chuggalong opiate jamming is quite hypnotic, particularly the 'Estimateds'.

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Poster: BongWzrd Date: Mar 2, 2009 11:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

Check out 02-03-78 Dicks Picks, Im am partial to this show since I was born that day, but it's a really fine performance.....David Lemiuex said once said it was never the same after 02-05-78.....

David Gans had Donna on for an interview years ago and she said the band was beyond smashed in 78....Phil in his book said he would sleep till soundcheck, get drunk, then do coke till the shows over....Im sure the whole band was on this up and down wagon of drugs and drinking.....

I really think that they played so hard and so consistently in 77', that 78' was bound to lose steam.....Also Jerry seemed to get ill quite a bit in 78', Im sure it was a combo of exaustion and drugs...

78' is still pretty neat in my mind...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 2, 2009 10:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

One thing i noticed about '78 is that Jerry seems to have changed his playing style a bit. I have no idea what he is actually doing but it sounds like "power strumming" a bit more in his solos. I think he started this in late '77 but it is very much a factor in '78. He even does this some of the more mellow songs like Peggy-O (check 4-16-78 for an example). I tend to think of those freeform jam segments as the origins of a regular "space" segment in the shows rather than comparing them to earlier jamming.

I actually like '78 a bit more than it sounds that you do. I enjoy many of the "college tour" shows from the spring and the I like the last show in Egypt as well as the From Egypt with Love shows. The segments with Lee Oskar are very cool.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 2, 2009 11:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

I second what elbow says about the Oct 78 Winterland run. There's definately some great stuff going on in there.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Mar 3, 2009 4:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

love this show.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-05-06.sbd-aud.cotsman.13726.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Mar 3, 2009 3:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

cliff has made a wise move > 78 > then onwards to 80s

some of my fav 78 shows have already been mentioned: 01-22, 04-08, 07-07, 07-08, 10-21, 10-22, but nobody remembered the 3 gizah shows, which r, due 2 the circumstances, different from the rest of 78 shows, but contain some moments of rare brilliance and 2stoned magic, not 2 b compared to anything gd have done b4 or after

nashville 12-16 rocks. cliff should make absolutely sure 2 check it out. its yet another must have. fob, cm, downloadable
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-12-16.sonyecm250-no-dolby.walker-scotton.miller.82212.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Mar 2, 2009 2:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

You can find pearls in any old oyster bed, but the end of the line for Keith and Donna came at the right time. Garcia and Keith were both musical parasites, requiring nearby and immediate inspiration to keep things fresh. Two sloppy junkies in a band have a hard time "inspiring" each other.

(Aside.) Anyone remember '78 for the year that literally tons of opiated hash came screaming into the country via Montreal? If it treated Garcia's throat the same as it did many others, it might not have been the Persian and Camels at work...

'78 was also the year that Garcia dumped the Travis Bean for the Irwin Wolf guitar. The mechanics of the effects loops became a playground for much more incessant noodling and results in the "wah wah years" ahead. From 78 on out, Garcia's tone gets increasingly effects laden, muddy and more muddy.

78 was transitional in a lot of ways, but if you prefer Keith & Donna look earlier. If you prefer a more electronic Jerry, try some of the 81 pearls.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 3, 2009 7:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

Thanks Earl!

Concise and well packaged, as usual!

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Mar 2, 2009 10:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

Sometimes I think they just got tired -- tired of touring, tired of each other, tired of the damn cowboy tunes -- and consequently many of the shows became kind of formulaic and lackluster. I suspect the harder drugs didn't help things, either. Still, there are quite a few transcendentally beautiful sets sprinkled throughout the year.

My short list of favorites hardly overlaps with yours (now I will go check yours out):

04-12-1978 Duke
04-24-1978 Normal, IL
07-07-1978 Red Rocks
and then 10-22 and 11-24, which are on your list.

I browse 1978 when I want to hear those slippery Jerry solos, as often happened in Scarlet>Fire. They hit a really clear, weightless, other-worldly tone at times that I'm often in the mood for. Bad description, I guess, but I don't know how else to put it.

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Poster: BataviaSparky Date: Mar 3, 2009 7:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - no one mentioned 6/25

this show has spurred debate here before- angry intensity or sloppy drivel? you decidehttp://www.archive.org/details/gd78-06-25.sbd.cotsman.7048.sbefail.shnf

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 2, 2009 9:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

1978 is not a year that fills me with much excitement either.... Many energetic shows, but it's no 1968! I haven't listened to it in a while so my comments will have to be vague....but I was struck by the slow, grinding feel of many shows, particularly later in the year, with Keith a nonentity and everybody sounding uninspired. (I prefer the Jan-Feb '79 shows to Nov/Dec '78.) I'm also unhappy with the setlists.

Considering that Jerry had Keith & Donna in his own band, he can't have found them too unbearable. But the Dead were excellent problem-deniers and confrontation-avoiders.

People mentioned Jerry's change in style - in late '77 he started favoring a more rough, 'power-chord' approach. But I think after Egypt, his style starts changing again - by '79 he's doing more fast 'little notes' - I can't quite put my finger on it. And of course there's the extra effects.....one thing that lovers of the '60s/early '70s have touble getting used to is the more processed SOUND of the guitars for later Dead, as the electronics gradually take over. That said, I like Jerry's distorted tone in early '78.

Some random recommendations....
I agree with the hullaboo for the Dick's Pick of Feb 3 & 5 - I think those shows are the best of early '78. I probably prefer the 5th - the Scarlet>Fire and Other One are marvelous.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-02-03.aud.warner.19465.sbeok.shnf
http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-02-05.aud.set2.warner.19466.sbeok.shnf
January was an up-and-down month for the Dead, but they finished it with an Uptown Theater run, the 31st is perhaps the best show of these:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-01-31.sbd-aud.cotsman.17074.sbeok.shnf
April '78 gets a lot of love around here, other people have singled out the top shows - but I would like to mention the hot, rare first-set Scarlet>Fire on 4-16-78:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-04-16.sbd.cantor.motb.81457.sbeok.flac16
Another notable Scarlet>Fire on 9-2-78 - an interesting set, predrums they jam & jam, then after drums "we're outta here":
http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-09-02.sbd.jools.7925.sbeok.shnf
You mentioned 11-20-78, it has the most unique second set of the year - I wish more had been like this:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-11-20.sbd.miller.95244.sbeok.flac16
12-16-78 was one of the best December shows - it's already been linked - but this one is worth checking simply for the one-time-only Stella>NFA:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-12-19.aud-sony.wagner.19507.sbeok.flacf
12-30-78 is like a test run for 12-31, a very long second set which many regard as better than the next night:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-12-30.sbd.miller.18092.sbeok.shnf

'78 aside, early '79 has some really fine moments:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1979-01-08.nak300-wagner.miller.87657.flac16 (but very noisy crowd)
http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-02-03.set2-nak.clugston.7116.sbeok.shnf (1st set separate, has the resurrected China Cat)
http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-01-10.gatto.kempka.307.sbeok.shnf (Dark Star & St Stephen!)
http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-01-15.rolfe.wise-cohen.310.sbeok.shnf (uneven, but has good spots)

And - a couple 1978 rarities -
the only '78 Dew - not played again until 11-8-79:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-04-15.sbd.cotsman.7047.sbefail.shnf
the only '78 Comes a Time:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-05-16.akg.weiner.8333.sbeok.shnf
Comes a Time was played once more on 2-9-79, then dropped til mid-1980.
St Stephen only snuck in four times in '78 - a couple of those shows are very famous, but this one is the least-known - also one of the first '78 shows in which Jerry sings, after starting the tour with laryngitis:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-01-11.mtx.sirmick.92086.sbeok.flac16

Other interesting '78 non-appearances:
The Wheel was only played on Feb 3....it didn't appear again until K&D's last show, 2-17-79....and then disappeared again until mid-1980.
China Cat, despite being dusted off on 12-29-77, again missed the whole year until being revived on 2-3-79.
China Doll, a rare song even in '77 (last played 12-29), wasn't played at all, and was only played once in 1979 (May 8) before another 1980 revival.
High Time was dropped after May '77 and not done again until a surprise reappearance on (again!) 2-17-79. (A couple other songs in that show hadn't been played since 1974!)
Farewell to Keith & Donna: http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-02-17.sbd.kempka.313.sbefail.shnf

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 3, 2009 7:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

Thanks for your recommendations, I might never have found my way to Giants Stadium. Funny, I had a ticket to the show but went surfing instead...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 2, 2009 11:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

Cliff, I think it's an over rated year myself. I find their playing to be often sloppy. Having said that they also seem to be surprisingly having a lot of fun considering the Keith and Donna drama you mentioned. On a tangent with that I wonder if they were all so disillusioned by them or Keith why was Jerry tapping them both that same year to be in his solo band?

I have to admit while I am familiar with a handful of the most high profile shows from this year I haven't delved into the rest as much as others here so am not the most informed person to be giving opinions probably. Even the 78 Red Rocks run as awesome as the mix is I find to be sluggish and sloppy. The Estimated is incredible but the Wharf Rat just is lacking dynamics big time I think ( flame away people ).I did however listen to that Feb 78 DP's awhile back and was VERY impressed with the playing. There was one jam in particular, most likely PITB but I can't remember, that really knocked me out.

I agree about the new material lacking but then again I don't think they stopped being prolific song craftsmen after Blues for Allah. That doesn't diminsh my still loving something from every year they played but I do think that's hard to argue that. I mean come on, there's not too much filler on any of their albums until Terrapin came around.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 2, 2009 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

whoops! I MEANT to say that they DID stop being prolific writers after Blues for Allah

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Mar 2, 2009 1:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

i really think arista was trying to package the boy's for mainstream but i could be wrong. 3 min radio songs and stuff like that. but if you think to how rock n roll was changing in 78, van halen, cheap trick,and the eagles were being played every ten mins on fm radio. oh yeah billy joel also. all selling huge records ,but the dead rocked gracefully live and the fan base was confortable with that and i;m sure the band was too!! if its not broke why fix it,if your happy i;m happy,keep on keeping on!!!! peace. just a thought thats all.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 2, 2009 2:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

that's all true but look at all the filler - Dancin in the Streets? Good Lovin? Don't Ease me in, etc etc. none of their albums before the Arista years had that. Even arguable filler like Money Money was at least written by them. In fact except for the first album I don't think they had any covers on a studio album until the Arista years did they? Again Money Money was close on that one I guess. The band could still write a compelling song - heck Althea is by far one of their best imo, I just think they got complacent, which is kind of the natural order of things with all people as they get older or in a rut.

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Mar 2, 2009 2:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

there were cover's in the early dayze johnny b goode, morning dew,viola lee blues you win again, lovelight,and some others i'm sure.i really like 78 but i believe its all constant not foolish, go with what ya know!!sorta thing. i really dig this 78 show http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-04-24.sbd.miller.97543.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 2, 2009 2:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

I'm not talking live in this instance, they always did covers. I was addressing what Cliff said about them not turning out good new material. I'm saying it's noticable how less prolific them became after Blues for Allah. It's a fact. I'm not saying they band wasn't still great and I don't enjoy something from every year, in fact I think 89-91 were still some of the greatest years for the band and I think that goes beyond just the fact that's when I saw most of my shows, it seems obvious to me.

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Mar 2, 2009 3:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

thats true jots i re read and seen filler songs and its all how you percieve the writing terrapin station was with arista and shakedown also i personaly like all the years cause to me its still the dead there the same. we are the ones who changed there is some great writing in the later years foolish heart is one for me and lazy river road!!i guess its a matter of taste not one's perception of what should be!!in the end its still the grateful dead!! no matter how ya shuffle the cards they come up dead!! :)its all good!!! in the strangest of places if ya hear it right? i should say the lyrics are the same we change they change but lyrics stay the same!!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 2, 2009 3:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

oh yeah, I'm definitely not on the they should have quit in 65 bandwagon. They were the best that ever was, no question about it. And here's irony - as inconsitant and downhill Jerry was the final few years - Lazy River, So Many Roads, Days Between his best contributions since probably Blues for Allah.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 3, 2009 6:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

Just noticed that--the 65--good one...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 2, 2009 1:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

Well, you and JOTS know me...I will say, I was at those Oct 20-22 shows at Winterland, and live, I always thought there was alot of energy to songs like "INaMirac" that I really don't find much to excite me about 30 yrs later. But of course, that's my buttholiness shining thru more than anything. I certainly can't point you in any particular direction during this time period, so other than giving you the usual advice (ie, "go back seven spaces"), it's gonna have to fall to others more invested in this...

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 2, 2009 1:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

Cliff (and all)

When it comes to '78 I think you really need to spend time in the month of April.

Some have pointed out a few of those shows, but I'll add these notes:

4/8/78-As strong and well-played as almost any '77, and a SCARLET>FIRE to die for. In fact, they stretched out the jam transition section in these tunes far more than in most of '77 and the results are stunning throughout the month.

4/12/78-Maybe the greatest Row Jimmy ever played. Listen to the jam into the "broken heart..." verse.

4/16/78- Again with the SCARLET>FIRE and the entire show is firing on all cylanders.

4/21/78- Raucous, not as smooth, but with some unreal jams, including a nutty "Stayin' Alive" jam out of Playin' that has to be heard to be believed.

4/24/78-Some feel this was the greatest SCARLET>FIRE of the year, and it's tough to argue. Jerry says "let it burn, let it burn, let it burn" in the final chorus.

I echo what others have said about the October Winterland run, and don't forget the monster performances at Red Rocks in July (Ah-wooooooo!) and the classic "Close Encounters/St Stephen" show of 1/22/78. Not to mention the Farewell to Winterland show of 12/31/78, which cannot be argued against. Just can't. Sorry. It's one of their greatest all time performances.

I have to believe if you're not impressed with the power of these performances you've got a pre-disposed bias against the year. I just can't believe these shows would not impress, while you can make th case that on the whole the year is marked by sloppiness and Jerry's vocal woes here and there.

But there are a LOT of gems in 1978.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 2, 2009 2:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

" Not to mention the Farewell to Winterland show of 12/31/78, which cannot be argued against. Just can't. Sorry. It's one of their greatest all time performances."

Goes to show .....

Yeah I can. I think it's over rated. All time best/funnest New Years party and setlist - yes. One of their all time greatest performances? I will definately argue against that.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 2, 2009 3:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

ooooh. I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there. (Office Space reference...great movie...wanna argue that one?)

C'mon, man....the Dark Star>OtherOne>Dark Star>WharfRat>StStephen>GoodLovin? That Dark Star is a JOY to listen to....yeah, it doesn't drone on for 45 minutes with screeching feedback and Phil throwing bass notes at nothing for five minutes like everyone's precious '73 shows...but I call that a plus...it's jazzy and focused and spacey without being self-indulgent..one of the best Dark Stars the band ever played...

The Sugar Mag sandwich in the FIRST? Wow. I dunno....seems it's hard to impress some folks. They played their hearts out that night...they all loved that old rink, and I think it showed. I listen to any one of those 3 discs over and over again and i can't find anything but excellence.

Even the first set tunes like STAGGER LEE and ALL OVER NOW have a little extra oomph to 'em.

Oh, well. I guess one man gathers what another man spills.

This post was modified by grendelschoice on 2009-03-02 23:39:58

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 2, 2009 3:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

" Office Space reference...great movie...wanna argue that one?"

Yeah. The Godfather is a GREAT movie, Office space is a GOOD movie. I think I see a pattern

; )

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 2, 2009 3:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

What's your favorite Michael Bolton song?

Ummm, I dunno. I like them all, I guess.

Oh, me, too. I celebrate the man's entite catalog.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 2, 2009 4:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

Only if no Kenny G.

I Agree With Pat Metheny (by Richard Thompson)


I agree with Pat Metheny
Kenny's talents are too teeny
He deserves the crap he's going to get
'Overdubbed himself on Louis
What a musical chop suey
Raised his head above the parapet


Now Louis Armstrong was the king
He practically invented swing
Hero of the twentieth century
'Did duets with many a fella
"Fatha" Hines, Bing, Hoagy, Ella
Strange he never thought of Kenny G


A meeting of great minds, how nice
Like Einstein and Sporty Spice
Digitally fused in an abortion
Oh, Kenny fans will doubtless rave
While Satchmo turns inside his grave
Soprano man's bit off more than his portion


Brainless pentatonic riffs
Display our Kenny's arcane gifts
But we don't care, his charms are so beguiling
He does play sharp, but let's be fair
He has such lovely crinkly hair
We hardly notice, we're too busy smiling


How does he hold those notes so long?
He must be a genius. Wrong!
He just has the mindlessness to do it
He makes Britney sound like scat
If this is jazz I'll eat my hat
An idle threat, I'll never have to chew it


So next time you're in a rendezvous
And Kenny's sound comes wafting through
Don't just wince, eliminate the cause
Rip the tape right off the muzak
Pull the plug, or steal a fuse, Jack
The whole room will drown you in applause


Yes, Kenny G has gone too far
The gloves are off, it's time to spar
Grab your hunting rifle, strap your colt on
It's open season on our Ken
Yet I await the moment when
We lay off him and start on Michael Bolton


Oh, I agree with Pat Metheny
Kenny's talents are too teeny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucgZQGPZOpk

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 2, 2009 4:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

never heard that one but I did hear Methany on Kenny G. " Musical Necropheliac." Man you have to be REALLY pathetic ( case in point ) or worse to get that much wrath from another musician

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 3, 2009 8:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

"Pre-disposed" Grendel? Of course I'm pre-disposed, I've been listening to the Grateful Dead for over thirty years. I stated that I was in my post. Perhaps it is Grendel who is pre-disposed to not hearing the multi-dimensional and complex jazzy music from 1969-1974 which was often manifested in a 45 minute Dark Star or extended jam suite?

And while I have to admit that there are a handfull of excellent shows from 1978, perhaps a few flashes of brilliance, maybe even a couple traces of the magic that occured on almost a nightly basis prior to 1978, there can be no mistaking the fact that that Jer's voice sounds like shit, and on the whole, the band is not performing at the level they had consistently through much of the preceeding years!

As far as closing up Winterland, I once had a vinyl bootleg of this show and wore it out as a teenager. But I dont see how you could consider this show to be anywhere close to one of the best shows ever. Any average show from 1969-1975 blows it away!

A few friends came over this past weekend and we watched the DVD from the Egypt release. I've had it since it came out, but never bothered to check it out before. I've been to Egypt, so it wss pretty cool seeing that. But we got bored quickly and skipped ahead to the vacation footage.

I'm streaming the Cantor/MOTB of 4/16 right now. Pretty cool first set action! But I honestly cant understand how anyone could fail to recognize the fact that after '77, if not well before, things are starting to unravel for the band and its certainly reflected in the quality of their music.

Nobody mentioned the fact that there is such an abundance of official releases from '78; 2 DP's, 2 Vault boxes and a Road Trips edition. I've heard enough...

Thanks for sharing everyone!

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 3, 2009 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

Jeez, I hate to agree with you Cliff, when you seem bent on DIS-agreeing with me...but I pretty much concur with everything you just said about '78!

In now way do I think it's indicative of one of their "best years"...only that in those examples I pointed out (and yes, I do include 12/31/78 as a standout show; won't back down there), the band is capable of awesome-ness on a par with some of their greatest shows,..it's just that the examples in '78 are few and far between. I think that April run is pretty remarkable, and after that, you have to pick and choose. I'm actually fairly critical of the DP shows everyone raves about of 2/5/78...can't find anything about THAT S>F that compares with 4/8, 4/16 OR 4/24 which I think are the best of that year.

What I meant about a pre-disposition against the year had really to do specifically with dissing the Farewell to Winterland show, which i just don't get. They performed an extraordinary set list (especially for that year) and delivered one of the finest Dark Star combos ever (again, this ends up being subjective, as I prefer DS's that don't dissolve into loud screeching feedback nonsense, and this one is more along the lines of great Jazz--doesn't lose its focus)...It's unmistakable that the band loved Winterland and I think it shows in an emotional farewell to the old place. (BTW, I also had that vinyl album--remember that great cover w/Garcia holding that big goblet of red wine?) and I've NEVER tired of the show. I just think it gets dissed almost as backlash a la 5/8/77...once something becomes "too popular" it's no longer "in" with the cool crowd...

overall, I totally agree...after 1977 (my all time favorite year) the band never achieved the CONSISTENT greatness they had in years previous...Many many amazing nights, yes (1981 more often than not) but nowhere near what they did as an "A" game night in and night out in 1977 (and i'm sure you'd say the same for 1968, but I see that year as almost an entirely different kind of band b/c of the style and type of music they were playing).

Hope i've made myself clearer here on the issue of how I feel about '78.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Mar 3, 2009 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

'78 might be the 2nd most released year behind 1972. Baffling.

The Closing of Winterland is not one of the great shows imo. Scratchy and ragged for the most part.

1/22 has four or five great tracks, as does the Feb DP. I have a 3 disc "best of" comp that gets a listen a few times a quarter (an enjoyable one at that), but I rarely play full shows from the year. Just not my cup of tea at the moment.

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Mar 2, 2009 11:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

I would check out a few other shows like 6/4/78, 4/15/78, 4/16/78, 7/7/78, 7/8/78, the AUD of 5/11/78 and 12/16/78 too. The only real problem with '78 shows in my mind is Bobby actually learning, or attempting to learn to play slide guitar on stage, in front of a live audience show after show. I like the year on the whole though, and thought some of the Rhythm Devils stuff that year was interesting. The other recs by the other posters are right on. Here are links to a couple of favorites Cliff.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-04-24.sbd.miller.32899.flac16 Great great show! Don't miss the Scarlet Fire!

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-06-04.sbd.cantor.miller.94407.sbeok.flac16 Check out the "Nobody's Jam" during Not Fade Away! Very interesting!

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-12-16.sonyecm250-no-dolby.walker-scotton.miller.82212.sbeok.flac16



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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Mar 2, 2009 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

I'm with ya on the 12/16

Hey Cliff, Check TDIH for 78 - nice AUD and a real good Peggy-o, Cassidy, Music never Stopped.

Capt DD says the Scarlet Fire is pretty good too.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Mar 2, 2009 2:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

Hey you might want to check this one out - it appears to be the first Mississippi Half-Step > Franklin's Tower

http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-05-17.akg.weiner.8334.sbeok.shnf

I have not listened to it yet but will 'flag it'

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